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| american |
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The ACO is making great strides to professionalize cornhole and one of those steps is the development of the CornyForty list. We are making some changes to enhance the significance of the list in 2009. The list is how the ACO identifies the top cornhole players in the world. In 2009 the list will also become a money list and will payout prize money to the top forty players recognized by the system at the end of the season. Here are some bullet points clarifying how the list works.
- The ACO is guaranteeing a minimum of $10,000.00 in prize money to be given away this year to the top forty players on the list at the end of the 2009 season.
- The money in the pot will grow throughout the season based on sponsorship levels, player participation in TopGun events and player dues. $10,000.00 is the minimum purse but we expect the pot to grow to over $20,000.00 by the end of the 2009 season.
- Any player is welcome male or female to compete to earn points towards a CornyForty standing.
- CornyForty standings completely start over for all players at the end of each season.
- In order to enter the CornyForty race you need to do two things. #1 - have a current active membership with the ACO - $15.95 a year investment. #2 - pay player dues of $100.00 annually towards your CornyForty entry.
- All forty players who make the CornyForty cut at the end of the season will be awarded cash prizes based on their final standings. Again you must attend the KOC event in Vegas to claim your cash prize. The cash pot will be divided as follows. 50% of the total pot will be divided equally amongst all forty players in the final CornyForty and the other 50% of the pot will be split up amongst the top ten players on the list with the number one player receiving more than the number ten player. The exact breakdown will be published in January 2009. So at this time with the pot at $10,000.00 the minimum payout to a top forty finish is going to be $125.00 and a payout to the top player will be roughly $1250.00
- Standings for the CornyForty will be updated every Tuesday as the season gets underway and will be published on the King of Cornhole website and probably several other locations such as www.AmericanCornhole.org and www.CornholePlayers.com. We will confirm where players can check the standings as we issue final details of the CornyForty by the end of December 2008.
- Players earn points towards their CornyForty standings by participating in the Skill Challenges and earning an active SCR score for themselves. Only the best SCR score for that year is used as points towards your CornyForty, so if a player throws a 110 in December of 2008 and a 93 in January of 2009. The system will use the 93 SCR points not the 110 SCR points towards the CornyForty points for that player. The 110 points will be an active number used in the SCR Ranking system, which publishes and recognizes a players best SCR within a year time frame. However, the CornyForty recognizes a players best SCR in the calendar year. If a player would like during the season they can as often as they want, try to increase their CornyForty standings by improving on their best SCR Score for the season. We will only recognize their best SCR Score and award those points to their CornyForty standing.
- Players also earn points playing in TopGun events. There are six guaranteed TopGun events open to all players to participate in during the season. These are all part of the ACO Cornhole Master Series. Details on points available at various level TopGun events can be discovered by reading up on the details by visiting - What is the CornyForty?
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| american |
| Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:16 pm |
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- If any players are hoping to play in ACO-Pro events they will need to be part of the CornyForty list. This list can be 40 to 4000 but only the top players will be receiving the calls to our invitation only events throughout the season. If we run an event at a casino in Atlantic City summer of 2009, we may be inviting the top 128 singles to participate. Those singles who will be invited will come from our top 128 CornyForty players. We may have special tournaments from time to time that will not only take players from the CornyForty listing but will have spots available for play in or higher price buy ins, but this will not be all ACO Pro caliber events, but a select few. As a player the best thing you can do for yourself is pay your membership & player dues early in the season and try to start earning CornyForty points from the start of the season. The ACO U.S. Nationals - King of Cornhole is the first tourament of the season that players will be able to earn CornyForty points from their results in a tournament. The King of Cornhole is a T1 which is the highest rated tournament in the system. It's a great way to kick start a players CornyForty Standings.
- Players CornyForty Points can only start being earned after they have paid their membership and CornyForty player dues. If a player comes to Vegas and hasn't paid his player dues and wins the King of Cornhole. He will not be awarded the CornyForty points for the win. He only starts to receive points for tournament performance after he has paid his player dues.
- Players need to call 888.563.2002 and make sure they get themselves squared around with the ACO before they start their season. A player can jump into the CornyForty anytime he wants throughout the season but the longer you wait to get in the less opportunities you will have to earn points.
- Start your pitch for the CornyForty title today......call 888.563.2002 and ask for Frank Geers.
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| dcrog |
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:25 am |
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Are you saying that the only way to be on the corny forty list is to pay the $100.00 dues at the first of the year?
If you play in a non pro event and place are you saying that you won't get any corny forty points for being in the money without the money?
Can the 100 be paid after you see a shot at making the corny forty list? |
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| ryan labelle |
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:20 am |
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| yes, no matter if you win every event, you still won't recieve any corny 40 points until you pay your players dues. your corny 40 points will start at the time you pay your dues, it doesnt back track points you earned before you paid. |
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| dcrog |
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:51 am |
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That sounds a little skewed to where the best of the best will be the only ones paying the fee. No offense but there are still a lot of people who haven't heard of or played in an ACO event yet. The ones that start or try it later in the year likely won't pay it because of the rankings being so far out of reach.
So how does this promote good players to participate or try it?
Just sayin'. |
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| jay1983man |
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:42 pm |
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Im my opinion on this I think its a good idea. Its not like Frank is only paying to the best ten or something. From how I understand it the top 40 are being paid and anyone is the top 40 will win more than it costed to get in. If I am not mistaking last year the #40 ranked persons corny forty points was not 95 so you dont have to be a pro to finish in the top 40. I know there are people that SCR was not but 88 and still finshed in the top. Yeah of course there are the top 4 or 5 people that we all know that will be in the top and we all know who has about a 95% chance of being #1. Nothing towards him he is a hell of a nice guy but hopefully he gets knocked off. Then people might see he can get beat, but than again I would like someone to name me a PRO sport that there is not 2 or 3 people that are great at it. BOWLING, TENNIS, FOOTBALL, BASEBALL. All them sports have their greats players. There will never be a PRO sports where the field is even. there is always the select few that excel and are hard to touch. Your also very correct in that there are people that we have not seen play that are very good. If you a good player you would be kind of wrong in not joining the corny forty.
Where I do think they corny forty has a flaw is the SCR. its a one time thing. I mean you could easily throw a 110 and win a tournament and just been throwing out of your head that day and finsh 20-25 in the top 40 and not win another tournament that year. I think it should be done at every major ACO even and the average should be done. Then that should be added to your points for the year. I think that would be a better way of showing your true skill. |
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| ryan labelle |
| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:05 pm |
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kevin tomberlin is number 10 on the corny 40 and only played 3 of the 5 branded tournaments this year. his scr was 97.33 and he never won 1st place. he won 2nd, then top 4 in the other 2. all these tournaments were only t3 tournaments. so it is possible for people to rank high mid season. to the comment about alot of people not knowing about the a.c.o not wanting to pay. unfortunately its hard to reach every player out there at the same time. over the next few years as the a.c.o and the corny 40 gets more and more known you will have those players you speak of jumping on board at the beginning of the next season. i personally think that its killer that players can pay $100.00 to be a part of a professional circuit with a money list. this money list will grow after each event. i dont know many other sports that you can just jump in like that.
Can the 100 be paid after you see a shot at making the corny forty list?
this would be like saying can i bet after i see everyone elses cards? |
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| dcrog |
| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:30 am |
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I see your points. But as an amateur player it won't affect me at this time. I was just trying to make sure I understood what was going on. Who knows, by this time next year my game may progress to where it does. If I can find time to throw enough. 
As I said it is geared more toward the semipro on up. Which is fine. I don't see a problem with getting 100 people to do it by the end of the year. Although at this time there are only 104 ranked from semipro to superpro. I'm sure there will be more in the coming year. |
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| ryan labelle |
| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:15 am |
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| gotta get out there and practice!! i know what that means. my game has fell off alot since i quit practicing all the time. |
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| dcrog |
| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:31 am |
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I do, every chance I can. Winter kind of sucks around here.
I'll see how I do in the socials division tomorrow. |
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| ryan labelle |
| Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 3:21 pm |
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| goog luck buddy!! |
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| DW |
| Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 12:32 pm |
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Anybody know how points were given out for the King of Cornhole event? On the bracket it says something like:
2 pts first round
4 pts second round
etc...
Is this how they were given out or was it top 8 only using the T1 format? |
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| ryan labelle |
| Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 12:40 pm |
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| they made a decision to give out points deeper than top 8 in vegas this year. not sure how it will be set up this time around. |
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| american |
| Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 4:27 pm |
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Here is a change that will be happening in the future. It is not finalized but I can tell you it will be something like this.
- The KOC will end the season crowning the KOC for that previous year and be the last of the Master Series events.
In years past and even at this years event the CornyForty will be pre-determined before going out to Vegas. Players currently need to attend the event in Vegas to accept money they won by making the CornyForty this season. The Players will also be seeded in the KOC based on their year ending CornyForty results.
In the future - starting with the 2010 season players will not earn major points for participating in the KOC on the front end of the CornyForty but instead get awarded major points on the back end making the KOC the final chapter to the ACO Masters Series Cornhole Season.
We are also considering awarding a small amount of bonus points to any CornyForty or KOC qualifier or contestant who made the journey to compete in the KOC at the Nationals.
The first big chance for players to win points for the new CornyForty season will come at the IceHole Classic at the end of February.
Another big change would be that players will not be required to attend Vegas to collect the money they earned by finishing in the CornyForty. However, the last big opportunity for players to win points would come at the end of the season with the King of Cornhole event. So the final money payout for the CornyForty will not be determined until after we play the KOC. So there will be a lot riding on the KOC event and a lot of things can happen with the points that will be awarded with this event. Total point break down has not been determined but it will probably award points as deep as the top 32 players in the KOC.
The CornyForty List will be used to determine those forty players that pre-qualify for the KOC. It does not mean that those players will stay on the money list or maintain their current position. It only means that they pre-qualified and are seeded for the big dance.
We will be talking more about this with our agents and the ACO Team at one of our upcoming meetings. It is there that we will begin to iron out the details of this new formula moving forward.
We might even do that this year but we would need to get 100% approval from all paid CornyForty players before we would allow this to take place. |
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| DW |
| Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 9:19 pm |
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| I understand points changes are coming, but how were they given out in January 2009 for this years CF? |
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